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Which ship is truly faster?
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Zero
2011-07-27 14:26:08 UTC
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I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon. But I don't
understand why. I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew. The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy. It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire. please let me know what is right.

--Andy
Anim8rFSK
2011-07-27 15:28:47 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon. But I don't
understand why. I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew. The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy. It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire. please let me know what is right.
--Andy
okay ... I'll bite.

Enterprise vastly faster.

Light speed not faster than warp speed.

Enterprise not a diplomatic ship (you're posting to Real Trek, not one
of the Trek Lite groups)

So, to recap: Enterprise bigger, faster, stronger, better.

I'm actually not sure who debates this.

The really silly debate is "Enterprise vs Galactica"

Enterprise kicks Galactica's butt in 4 microns.
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Graeme
2011-07-27 18:36:43 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Light speed not faster than warp speed.
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.

But really, it's wrong to just worry about speed. Size,
affordability, and mileage is also important.
Anim8rFSK
2011-07-27 20:47:31 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Light speed not faster than warp speed.
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.
But really, it's wrong to just worry about speed. Size,
affordability, and mileage is also important.
Enterprise clearly wins in everything but affordability, which is a tie,
since both civilizations could only afford 12 of either model ...
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Your Name
2011-07-27 20:58:48 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Light speed not faster than warp speed.
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.
Technically "lightspeed, "hypersapce", and "Warp speed" (among other
phrases) are all simply references to faster than light travel. Since we
don't actually know any real details as to the speeds the ships go or the
distances and timeframes they travel, it's impossible to say which
starship is faster.

On a theoretical level, the Enterprise is an official Government-type
vessel and the Millennium Falcon is a highly modified smugglers freighter
... so if you consider the Enterprise to be a "police vehicle" and the
Flacon to be a "criminal vehicle", then it's likely the Falcon is faster
since the criminals always have better equipment than the Government. :-)
Post by Graeme
But really, it's wrong to just worry about speed. Size,
affordability, and mileage is also important.
Plus how the previous owner(s) treated it ("one old lady only drove it on
Sundays) / well maintained and whether it's been in any accidents to cause
structural damage.
Quadibloc
2011-07-31 02:55:20 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.
The speed of light is Warp 1. What "light speed" meant in Star Wars
was likely some sort of FTL capability, given that the Millenium
Falcon did travel between different solar systems in a reasonable
time.

How fast it was, though, it's hard to tell, particularly since
"parsecs" are a unit of time in the Star Wars universe.

John Savard
Your Name
2011-07-31 05:49:45 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.
The speed of light is Warp 1. What "light speed" meant in Star Wars
was likely some sort of FTL capability, given that the Millenium
Falcon did travel between different solar systems in a reasonable
time.
How fast it was, though, it's hard to tell, particularly since
"parsecs" are a unit of time in the Star Wars universe.
Nope, they're a unit of distance - the explanation for that "slip" is that
the Falcon covered the shortest distance by travelling closer to black
holes and other dangerous space phenomenon than any other ship.
unknown
2011-08-21 15:58:49 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:55:20 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Graeme
Technically, light speed is Warp 1.
The speed of light is Warp 1. What "light speed" meant in Star Wars
was likely some sort of FTL capability, given that the Millenium
Falcon did travel between different solar systems in a reasonable
time.
How fast it was, though, it's hard to tell, particularly since
"parsecs" are a unit of time in the Star Wars universe.
John Savard
The Answer is, Neither. A Borg cube is the fastest ship in all of
science fiction. :)
Steven L.
2011-07-27 22:32:06 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon. But I don't
understand why. I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew. The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy. It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire. please let me know what is right.
--Andy
okay ... I'll bite.
Enterprise vastly faster.
Light speed not faster than warp speed.
Enterprise not a diplomatic ship (you're posting to Real Trek, not one
of the Trek Lite groups)
The Enterprise is gunboat diplomacy.




-- Steven L.
Marcovaldo
2011-07-29 20:23:56 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Enterprise kicks Galactica's butt in 4 microns.
When Galactica goes into hyperdrive, it just vanishes from its
starting point, and pops into existence at its destination.
Anim8rFSK
2011-07-30 00:40:14 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Enterprise kicks Galactica's butt in 4 microns.
When Galactica goes into hyperdrive, it just vanishes from its
starting point, and pops into existence at its destination.
That's the new Craptactica. I was talking about the real show. :)
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Marcovaldo
2011-08-02 16:57:14 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
Enterprise kicks Galactica's butt in 4 microns.
When Galactica goes into hyperdrive, it just vanishes from its
starting point, and pops into existence  at its destination.
That's the new Craptactica.  I was talking about the real show.  :)
What? That kid's show? ; )
SparkoHeaps
2011-07-27 17:13:02 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon.  But I don't
understand why.  I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew.  The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy.  It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire.  please let me know what is right.
--Andy
I've suspected that the distance between the star systems in that long
ago far away galaxy are much closer together than the star systems
here in the Milky Way. So they don't need to go quite so fast to get
somewhere.

(Maybe the universe hadn't expanded so much at that time.)
Steven L.
2011-07-27 22:34:02 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon.  But I don't
understand why.  I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew.  The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy.  It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire.  please let me know what is right.
--Andy
I've suspected that the distance between the star systems in that long
ago far away galaxy are much closer together than the star systems
here in the Milky Way. So they don't need to go quite so fast to get
somewhere.
The Star Wars galaxy may simply be a smaller galaxy.

Perhaps something like the Small Magellanic Cloud, which is "only" 7,000
light years in diameter and contains "only" a few hundred million stars.




-- Steven L.
David E. Powell
2011-08-24 02:17:32 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon.  But I don't
understand why.  I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed? Also the Millennium Falcon is a "war"
ship because it was used to out run the Empire during smuggling and
has a smaller crew.  The Enterprise is a diplomatic ship and does
galaxy machines for peace and diplomacy.  It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire.  please let me know what is right.
--Andy
I've suspected that the distance between the star systems in that long
ago far away galaxy are much closer together than the star systems
here in the Milky Way. So they don't need to go quite so fast to get
somewhere.
(Maybe the universe hadn't expanded so much at that time.)
That is the best Hard SF explanation I ever heard for the Star Wars
Galaxy and Republic or Empire with the closeness. Also, as you
mentioned, the speed of travel.
Rik P
2011-08-24 03:37:48 UTC
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Post by SparkoHeaps
I've suspected that the distance between the star systems in that long
ago far away galaxy are much closer together than the star systems
here in the Milky Way. So they don't need to go quite so fast to get
somewhere.
(Maybe the universe hadn't expanded so much at that time.)
That is the best Hard SF explanation I ever heard for the Star Wars
Galaxy and Republic or Empire with the closeness. Also, as you
mentioned, the speed of travel.
Wookieepedia says that the Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 light years
across. Our Milky Way Galaxy is estimated at 100,000 light years
across. Star Trek's Federation exists in only one quarter of our
galaxy (the Alpha Quadrant) whereas the Republic/Empire in Star Wars
encompasses its entire galaxy (it is the "Galactic Republic" and
Palpatine is the "Galactic Emperor").

As to the Millennium Falcon in particular, we don't know how much of
its galaxy it traveled in. If it's more than the equivalent size of
the Alpha Quadrant then it would have to be faster than Enterprise to
reach its destinations in the time we see on screen during the films.
If it's traveling within a smaller, yet pivotal, section of its galaxy
then it could be equal or slower than the Enterprise.

What I find interesting is that jumping to light speed in Star Wars is
a sure-fire escape, while going to warp speed in Star Trek still
leaves a ship visible to tracking devices and susceptible to hostile
attack.

Rik
Zero
2011-10-12 19:51:55 UTC
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Post by Rik P
Post by David E. Powell
Post by SparkoHeaps
I've suspected that the distance between the star systems in that long
ago far away galaxy are much closer together than the star systems
here in the Milky Way. So they don't need to go quite so fast to get
somewhere.
(Maybe the universe hadn't expanded so much at that time.)
That is the best Hard SF explanation I ever heard for the Star Wars
Galaxy and Republic or Empire with the closeness. Also, as you
mentioned, the speed of travel.
Wookieepedia says that the Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 light years
across.  Our Milky Way Galaxy is estimated at 100,000 light years
across.  Star Trek's Federation exists in only one quarter of our
galaxy (the Alpha Quadrant) whereas the Republic/Empire in Star Wars
encompasses its entire galaxy (it is the "Galactic Republic" and
Palpatine is the "Galactic Emperor").
As to the Millennium Falcon in particular, we don't know how much of
its galaxy it traveled in.  If it's more than the equivalent size of
the Alpha Quadrant then it would have to be faster than Enterprise to
reach its destinations in the time we see on screen during the films.
If it's traveling within a smaller, yet pivotal, section of its galaxy
then it could be equal or slower than the Enterprise.
What I find interesting is that jumping to light speed in Star Wars is
a sure-fire escape, while going to warp speed in Star Trek still
leaves a ship visible to tracking devices and susceptible to hostile
attack.
Rik
Don Del Grande
2011-07-28 01:06:16 UTC
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Post by Zero
I keep hearing the debate that people thinks that the U.S.S.
Enterprise is faster than the Millennium Falcon. But I don't
understand why. I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed?
No. Warp 1 is the speed of light. The measurements of higher numbers
are different for the original series and TNG versions; in Kirk's day,
Warp N was - er, will be - (N cubed) x the speed of light, but in
Picard's day, it's more of a exponention function.

-- Don
Graeme
2011-07-28 01:36:37 UTC
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Post by Zero
It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire.  please let me know what is right.
--Andy
Well, for one thing, speed isn't the only thing that matters. Size,
affordability and mileage are just as important.
Joseph Nebus
2011-07-28 14:12:37 UTC
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Post by Zero
It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire. =A0please let me know what is right.
Well, for one thing, speed isn't the only thing that matters. Size,
affordability and mileage are just as important.
Don't overlook the cupholders. If you have fewer than three
cupholders for every two passengers you've just got an impractical
vehicle.

Also, the cabin lights should come on when the door is open,
so make sure you can't easily switch them out of that mode.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Graeme
2011-07-29 16:42:08 UTC
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        Also, the cabin lights should come on when the door is open,
so make sure you can't easily switch them out of that mode.  
I also got the feeling that the Enterprise kept that New Ship Smell
much better than the Falcon did, especially considering some of the
cargos Han had to haul.
Anim8rFSK
2011-07-29 20:20:41 UTC
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Post by Graeme
        Also, the cabin lights should come on when the door is open,
so make sure you can't easily switch them out of that mode.  
I also got the feeling that the Enterprise kept that New Ship Smell
much better than the Falcon did, especially considering some of the
cargos Han had to haul.
On the other hand, Enterprise had waaaaaaay more hot women as crew,
passengers, and cargo.
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"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Your Name
2011-07-29 21:38:46 UTC
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Post by Graeme
        Also, the cabin lights should come on when the door is open,
so make sure you can't easily switch them out of that mode.  
I also got the feeling that the Enterprise kept that New Ship Smell
much better than the Falcon did, especially considering some of the
cargos Han had to haul.
On the other hand, Enterprise had waaaaaaay more hot women as crew,
passengers, and cargo.
Very little is known about the Falcon's history, so that could easily be
very wrong. :-)
Your Name
2011-07-29 21:35:41 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Post by Joseph Nebus
Also, the cabin lights should come on when the door is open,
so make sure you can't easily switch them out of that mode.
I also got the feeling that the Enterprise kept that New Ship Smell
much better than the Falcon did, especially considering some of the
cargos Han had to haul.
The Enterprise (any version) *was* basically a new ship, with at most only
a couple of "owners". The Falcon on the other hand was already an old ship
with numerous past owners by the time Han Solo won it from Lando.
Ron
2011-07-29 20:13:20 UTC
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Post by Zero
It is not trying to fight a
giant galactic empire.  please let me know what is right.
--Andy
Well, for one thing, speed isn't the only thing that matters.  Size,
affordability and mileage are just as important.
That only applies if you can get it up to Ludicrous Speed. Then you
really got something happening when ya go to plaid!

Ron


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Quadibloc
2011-07-31 02:53:29 UTC
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Post by Zero
I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed?
I don't know why one would say that one is faster or the other is.

There is literature about how fast the warp factors are supposed to be
in Star Trek - however, there is reason to believe the Enterprise
really travelled faster than that. I don't know if anyone even knows
how fast the Millenium Falcon is.

John Savard
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2011-07-31 05:55:17 UTC
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Post by Zero
I thought the Millennium Falcon has light speed and
isn't that faster warp speed?
I don't know why one would say that one is faster or the other is.
There is literature about how fast the warp factors are supposed to be
in Star Trek - however, there is reason to believe the Enterprise
really travelled faster than that. I don't know if anyone even knows
how fast the Millenium Falcon is.
There's no information that I can find for the Falcon's speed as such,
although I haven't done an exhaustive search. The best I have found is
that the Falcon has a 0.5 class engine that makes it nearly twice as fast
as the fastest Imperial warships.
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